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Post by albywelch on Dec 10, 2016 3:46:32 GMT -8
Hi everyone! firstly I would like to say that I am thankful to find out about this message board, as to talk to likeminded people who love the music of ozric tentacles. I originally found out about ozric tentacles from looking up simliar artists to porcupine tree on lastfm.com and ozric tentacles came up and I listened to the song waterfall cities and I've been obsessed with OT ever since. I know this topic has been addressed before (which I read), but I was wondering what hardware synths, that are modern and still being manufactured 2016, I can buy brand new that would be great options for recreating some of the great ozric sounds. By ozric sounds I mean like the sequenced lines in wreltch, pyramidion, sploosh etc and all the wiggly sounds OT use (LFO, filter reso modulation etc). I know that most synths have the capacity to do most of it with arpeggiators/step sequencers and lfo etc, but I was wondering if anyone had one they could recommend that is currently being manufactured as I'm hoping to buy new. Ideally, I'd love something like the sequential circuits pro one but something that is currently being manufacturered  any ideas and thoughts would be appreciated so much. Cheers and thanks so much all, Allan |
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Post by albywelch on Dec 10, 2016 4:10:12 GMT -8
obviously i have been doing research on the various synths that are on the market today, but just wish they still manufactured the roland d-50/sq pro one/novation supernova 2 etc..
any thoughts on the studiologic sledge 2? I am tossing up between that, the novation ultranova, moog sub37, or maybe dave smith's prophet or mopho at this stage...
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Post by jwein on Dec 15, 2016 4:19:20 GMT -8
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Post by sunscape on Dec 23, 2016 12:55:10 GMT -8
If you want a current synth then the DSI Pro2 is definitely worth a look. Granted, it has digital oscs but after that it's all analog. It's got an arpeggiator, complex step sequencing, 4 lfo's and is good for linking to eurorack or other cv synths. You could combine it with something like the Dreadbox Erebus or Nyx for some analog oscs and the whole package would give you all the bubbles and waterfalls you'd ever need!
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Post by jwein on Dec 24, 2016 1:19:39 GMT -8
If you want a current synth then the DSI Pro2 is definitely worth a look. Granted, it has digital oscs but after that it's all analog. It's got an arpeggiator, complex step sequencing, 4 lfo's and is good for linking to eurorack or other cv synths. You could combine it with something like the Dreadbox Erebus or Nyx for some analog oscs and the whole package would give you all the bubbles and waterfalls you'd ever need! After learning bubbles i need further information about waterfalls. Are they played with a single note, or does a waterfall exist of more notes i mean a melody? The DSI Pro2 would absolutely be my next hardwaresynth too. Test it out at a local music store if you have the chance to. |
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Post by albywelch on Dec 26, 2016 16:08:41 GMT -8
Thanks so much for the replies guys! the Dave smith instrument pro 2 looks unreal! although is a little out of my budget at the moment..i am heavily considering the moog sub 37...do you guys think the lack of a high pass and band pass filter option will stifle my flow in getting some of the ozrics sounds? that's the only con that people are saying about it. thoughts? cheers and thanks so much again all, Allan |
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Post by jwein on Dec 27, 2016 0:58:27 GMT -8
Without being a real synth wizard, my opinion regarding Sub37 filters is that it wouldn´t really bother. Making bubbles, sequences and so on the Sub37 surely has it all. As mentioned before, when playing eg Eternal Wheel the onboard sequencer on the Sub37 could be too limited, maybe this would be easier to realize on the Pro2. No real opinion here, because i´ haven't had a chance to try it out. For playing a whole ozric song both synths could be to complicated, maybe you need a midi player (iPad, Notebook, or some midi data with floppy like ozric mastermind ed if you can find this nowadays). For both synths PC/Mac Editors are available, maybe you could program your desired song/sequences there and shift it to the synth.
The Pro2 has Delay on board, the Sub37 not. So you have to get a delay for the Sub37, which is not really negative, because you can get your own. On the other side, the option to save delay settings on the Pro2 within the synth preset is really handy.
On the Sub37 and Sub Phatty turning knobs is comfortable because the front panel is angular to you and you can read the lettering better. In the end your personal preferences decide. The Pro2 is clearly the more versatile one. Just make a search for "Pro2 vs Sub37" there are some really useful threads available online.
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Post by albywelch on Dec 29, 2016 6:14:54 GMT -8
thanks for the reply mate I have been reading a few comparisons and yeah I agree the pro 2 looks definitely the better one. what exactly do you mean by midi data with floppy? I am flawed by this video and the sounds he's getting with the pro 2 , I love those spacey filtier morphypad sounds so so much..what it be possible to do what he's doing on this video, but on one synthesizer...for example on the pro 2, sequence a bass line and get that playing through an amplifier and then over that add lush pad sounds. My dream is basically to be able to make my own spacey psychedelic trance jam in real time, pretty much like this guy in this vid but with a drum machine like the korg volca beats added or something, but I'm just overwhelmed with the all options out there, and i'm trying to understand all the terms that are associated with midi, and how to connect it up, and if I need mixer etc. Atm I have a laptop with Cubase, tascam audio interface, Kurzweil sp88 keyboard (old keyboard, has some great midi options with it but I don't really understand that) and a nord drum/pad 2 (is good, but i'm looking for a keyboard synth now with lfo/sequencer filter etc and not drum synth), and an amplifier. What do you think would be the next step towards this goal? If I've only got the one amplifier, will I need to get a mixer in order to get simultaneous sound from multiple instruments to play through it, or would I need monitors or something? I'm just trying to learn and although reading a lot of google, I'm still somewhat confused about it all, and what my next step towards this goal should be. Any insight or ideas would be appreciated so much, Cheers for the responses all, Allan |
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Post by jwein on Dec 29, 2016 7:23:58 GMT -8
what exactly do you mean by midi data with floppy? Simply a Floppy Disk Device which replays prerecorded Midi Data from a Floppy. Nowadays this would be typically an ipad or notebook. There are still newly made HW Midi-Players on the market, but as far as i know they are pretty expensive. There are some threads about this device in this forum. would it be possible to do what he's doing on this video, but on one synthesizer... Sure, but then you need a so called multitimbral Synth like the TI Virus, Novation Suopernovas, Yamaha TG33.. Some are live intrumenst having knobs like the supernovas, others are mainly soundboxes without much realtime control options like the Yamaha TG33. If you plan to play live, two physically synths like in the video or like the ozrics do it live are better, becaue they want to be played parallel. sure you also can play eg 3 multitimbral synths live, and a roland D50 (thats simply the current synth live-setup of the ozrics, watch some youtube vids. but im not sure how exatly they use the multitimbrality. if they use it, i ca n image they´re sending midi notes to the channels or switching between the sounds manually by touching the dedicated buttosn on the synth. keyboard-splitting is also a common technique on multimtimbral synths for playing different sounds at the smae time. Have a look at the synth-manuals. My dream is basically to be able to make my own spacey psychedelic trance jam in real time You dont need hardwaresynths at any cost for making music. Grab your available stuff and start playing and recording ideas with cubase! Which i use too btw. But playing bubbles and such things on a real Hardwaresynth is way more fun then doing this with mouse or a midi controller. Eg. one hand on the lfo rate, the other hand on the filter and so on, you will know what i mean as soon you follow the tips in this forum. I'm just overwhelmed with the all options out there, and i'm trying to understand all the terms that are associated with midi, and how to connect it up, and if I need mixer etc. Yeah, thats normal. Just learn what Midi In/Out means, maybe sysex for saving synth-presets in a track in cubase. At the end maybe you wont need Midi at all (for example you use one synth and playing with friends live, as i do). Midi gets important for replaying whole songs. For jammin its not so important. At least thats my expirience. I have a laptop with Cubase, tascam audio interface, Kurzweil sp88 keyboard (old keyboard, has some great midi options with it but I don't really understand that) and a nord drum/pad 2 (is good, but i'm looking for a keyboard synth now with lfo/sequencer filter etc and not drum synth), and an amplifier.What do you think would be the next step towards this goal? Great! I would say connect your Audio Interface to your laptop, connect your keyboard with a midi cable and start playing the synths and drums which comes with cubase. For the extra fun get the Sub37 or Pro2 or both and season your tracks with some delicate handmade bubbles! Mayber start learning E-Guitar too, add heavy delay and some kind of wha pedal to your playing! A Bassline is also important, either live with a real E-Bass or with a keyboard via a Synth. Listen to the ozrics every day and examine their working recipes. Maybe we never come there but as somone wise said once "the journey is the reward". If I've only got the one amplifier, will I need to get a mixer in order to get simultaneous sound from multiple instruments to play through it, Yes. or would I need monitors or something? No. I'm just trying to learn and although reading a lot of google, I'm still somewhat confused about it all, and what my next step towards this goal should be. Online research is so great this days (Articel, Interviews, Youtube)Ive learnd almost all online (and especially how to play bubbles in this forum). Regarding your next step, this can only be answered by yourself. Or read above. |
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Post by albywelch on Jan 2, 2017 17:48:50 GMT -8
thanks for the extensive reply jwein. You make some very good points, which have helped me a lot. I am tending towards the idea of still purchasing the sub37 and a korg volca beat drum machine, and using my Kurzweil sp88 keys for chord and pads, as I should be able to connect it via midi to Cubase and use some softsynths. That is my idea at the moment, but I am going to wait another couple of weeks until namm 2017 and see if any releases any new hardware (as I would drool if they released a supernova 3). The DSI pro 2 does seem perfect for what I want to do, but the only thing that I would love to have is fully polyphony. Although I have heard it do some pretty awesome chords. I tend to agree with you that there isn't a one synth that will give the ozric sound, as there is much more to it than that. I will start trying to learning guitar/bass aswell so that hopefully I can get some proggy phat grooves/melody ideas going (I already play drums). Thanks again for the reply mate. On a side note, I absolutely love the trippy synths sounds in the ozric song 'neurochasm', just so good  and such a phattttt bass |
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Post by Pp3dr0 Ag4o0 on Jan 18, 2017 7:47:07 GMT -8
if you're getting the volca beats you should consider adding a capacitor to C78 if you try a few values (100,000pF should do it) you should find the snare improves (it's already way better than the sound on the Akai RhythmWolf, which is easier to play as it has a better form-factor).,.,., but analogue doesn't always mean better and Midi implementation pretty much sucks for both of those devices..,.,
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Post by albywelch on Apr 8, 2017 17:52:41 GMT -8
hey all, just an update. I actually ended up getting an old yamaha an1x synthesizer, and a moog sub 37. and currently shipping is a dsi pro2! i decided against the korg volca beats. atm i'm having a lot of fun just learning about synthesis. It's so fun to finally be able to design some sounds and understand, ohh so that's how they got THAT sound etc. One awesome thing I saw on a dsi pro 2 demo on youtube is on the sequencer, he had a low bass note just droning and he was changing the oscillator wave types at the same time..and guess what i heard...the start of al-salooq by ozrics! since an awesome and trippy sound!
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Post by Pp3dr0 Ag4o0 on Apr 19, 2017 7:10:32 GMT -8
if you have any synth with an input for external patch switch, you could try programming similar but different patches and then send like a sync-clock signal to that.,.,.,
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any ideas and thoughts would be appreciated so much.
and such a phattttt bass