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Post by naturenskraft on Oct 13, 2011 13:53:45 GMT -8
Anyone know how to synthesize some of the unique, far out ozric sounds???
I think the most mindbending, spaced out and beautiful synth sounds are to be found only in ozrics music (as far as i know)
Found out how to re-create a couple of sounds on the supernova,
if interested i can explain how...
But for the rest, i am not to experienced with the synth's yet, so I would be absolutely ecstatic to hear from any expert on the subject.
Love and sound!
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Post by 77Pete77 on Oct 14, 2011 1:41:10 GMT -8
While certainly being interested in the subject, I'm not really one to contribute as I sold my synths to concentrate on satisfying my lust for Guitar gear. I do think however, you could maybe be a bit more specific in your opening sentence or two. Any examples? 'Far out Ozric sounds' probably encompasses 20+ albums or so  Despite not being quite so 'far out', some of my favourite sounds are still the lush pads that pop up in a lot of the 90s stuff (Eternal Wheel, for one). I've since worked out that knowing your way around a Roland D50 is probably the best place to start. |
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Post by damien on Oct 15, 2011 6:36:44 GMT -8
i imagine you will need.
the same equipment , similar patches and sequencing .
if you study what sound waves create which timbres and also how you can use LFO and filters then you may find it easier to emulate some of the ozrics sounds.
synth sounds seem to fall into these catogories:
lead sounds
bass sounds
pads.
noise.
so you will need to mix combinations to get a similar sound to what you want.
for instance with eternal wheel .
towards the end there are pads ?
the intro sounds like a bass sound ( even through it spans a few octaves! )
i imagine the SFX are often lead sounds that are modulated with LFO and similar.
if you have a novation synth im sure the sky is the limit. when you sequence stuff i think its quite an integral part of a lot of ozric compostitions !
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Post by garlicmick on Oct 17, 2011 10:11:04 GMT -8
Found out how to re-create a couple of sounds on the supernova,
if interested i can explain how... (I only have the Novation V-station, but immediately found it easier to get Ozricy sounds with that than any other soft-synth ..FWIW) |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Oct 19, 2011 4:45:16 GMT -8
understanding subtractive synthesis is the core method for designing all and any sounds - just get the controllability right and don't worry too much about makes and models or trying to sound identical - as you learn to use the control configurations you can change what your oscillators are doing to change the basic sounds....
a nice example of varying ways to hook things up is in yumyum tree - i think mooncalf(?) where at one point the filter cutoff is controlled by an LFO whose speed seems to track the pitch of notes played - so each note has it's own speed of quacking wobbliness...
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Post by garlicmick on Oct 24, 2011 7:15:10 GMT -8
^ ^ Right, though that second bit sounds like the kinda thing Ozrics do above and beyond subtractive synthesis.
Someone on the forum suggested a while back that an Ozric synth tutorial vid would be a big seller. I'd certainly buy it - before anything else musical. But maybe it's like asking 'how do you have original ideas?'
A: don't stick to a formula.
(still, you wouldn't mind knowing a few Ozric formulas, eh?)
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Post by etherealcereal on Nov 11, 2011 10:25:45 GMT -8
Anyone know how to create the famous "bubble" sounds so prevalent on Ozric tunes? I have a Roland Gaia and can't quite figure it out. Read some old interviews with Ed and Seaweed and they talked very highly of the bubbles created by Timothy Blake during his Hawkwind tenure so I checked it out. Very cool indeed and obviously a big influence on the Ozric sound.
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Post by nicktoone on Nov 11, 2011 17:51:04 GMT -8
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Post by birdyhop on Nov 13, 2011 13:23:46 GMT -8
will have to try this. my novation x station has got plenty of knobs to twist ;D
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Post by OHR GANJALF on Nov 15, 2011 14:53:04 GMT -8
I'm quite interested in this Synth aspects as well. any experts or practitioners here?
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Post by heddhunter on Nov 24, 2011 13:28:06 GMT -8
Anyone know how to create the famous "bubble" sounds so prevalent on Ozric tunes? I have a Roland Gaia and can't quite figure it out. Read some old interviews with Ed and Seaweed and they talked very highly of the bubbles created by Timothy Blake during his Hawkwind tenure so I checked it out. Very cool indeed and obviously a big influence on the Ozric sound. I've got a Sequential Circuits Pro One, which was used on most of the earlier Ozrics albums (may still be for all I know) and it makes crazy psychedelic ozric sounds if you so much as look at it funny. Here's a small sample pack that I made - you can use these sounds for free. They should all loop fine and are acidizied with root note, etc so drop 'em into acid or live and BRAP ON. dl.dropbox.com/u/6093254/pro_one_2011.rarI sequenced the Pro One from my Future Retro 777 (analog monosynth with built in 303-style sequencer + CV + MIDI). Most of the cool sounds are achieved by oscillator cross-mod. You can also do filter FM on it via the oscs which is always good for a metallic grindy edge. I wrote a track which is entirely Pro One except the drums. It's on my EP "Inside The Electron" which you can find on iTunes here itunes.apple.com/us/album/inside-the-electron/id362431383Dave Smith Instruments (DSI) has the Mopho now which is supposedly based on the Pro One architecture but the friends I know who have used it say it sucks compared to the real thing. Bummer, I wanted a spare. |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Dec 17, 2011 3:16:44 GMT -8
sounds like you might mean the ether-strings sound as used by hillage and ozrics too... i'm yet to figure that one out but if i have a think about it i shud be able to describe something fairly similar... - two saw waves, hi-pass filter fairly middley cutoff without too much Q but a little LFO(Sin), slow portamento, EG levels(medlohimed) -> A--D__S^^R--, gentle LFO-> VCA one Osc only, Chorus and Delay FX (2/3 timing), fiddle about with that and use yer ears to get it all finetuned...
or else, and more likely perhaps you mean the LFO->Hi-Q Filter patching that you should be able to route up on your synths with far less trouble...
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Post by sunscape on Dec 19, 2011 12:53:09 GMT -8
I've always been a lover of those analog 'waterfall' LFO sounds, in fact, that's what drew me to likes of Hawkwind, Gong, Hillage, Ozrics etc in the first place. I'm a guitarist myself (not very good) but wouldn't mind dipping into the world of synths myself.
Choices would be Dave Smith's Mopho, Little Phatty, Ultranova or MAudio Venom. Anyone have a recommendation from those that would get those classic 'sweeping bubbles' (how can I describe em....ya know what I mean!) sounds?
I'm leaning towards the Mopho as it's basically a souped up ProOne or cut down Prophet 08 depending on how you look at it.
The sound I would be looking for would be similar to the beginning of Dissolution as the pace begins to build. There's a regular 'pulse' that starts slowly and quickens as the frequency increases (God, this is impossible to describe). Anyone suggest what controls on an analog synth to use? LFO rate and sweeping the filter cutoff?
Starting around 2:06....thats what I'd like to nail!
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Post by heddhunter on Dec 21, 2011 22:45:51 GMT -8
I've always been a lover of those analog 'waterfall' LFO sounds, in fact, that's what drew me to likes of Hawkwind, Gong, Hillage, Ozrics etc in the first place. I'm a guitarist myself (not very good) but wouldn't mind dipping into the world of synths myself. Choices would be Dave Smith's Mopho, Little Phatty, Ultranova or MAudio Venom. Anyone have a recommendation from those that would get those classic 'sweeping bubbles' (how can I describe em....ya know what I mean!) sounds? I'm leaning towards the Mopho as it's basically a souped up ProOne or cut down Prophet 08 depending on how you look at it. The sound I would be looking for would be similar to the beginning of Dissolution as the pace begins to build. There's a regular 'pulse' that starts slowly and quickens as the frequency increases (God, this is impossible to describe). Anyone suggest what controls on an analog synth to use? LFO rate and sweeping the filter cutoff? Starting around 2:06....thats what I'd like to nail! Set the filter to self-oscillate (resonance maxed), route LFO to filter cutoff, adjust LFO rate via envelope or mod wheel or whatever... Instant space! Don't forget to drop the entire sound into a nice delay for extra trippiness. |
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Post by jwein on Jan 25, 2012 4:55:01 GMT -8
ok, i think this is the right thread here to put my longkeeped question: how do you make the opening synth sound of eternal wheel? and further does anybody know if the pattern is stored in the synth as arpeggio, oder does it come from a sequencer?  |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Jan 27, 2012 5:16:49 GMT -8
it's an arpeggiator with slapback delay |
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Post by jwein on Jun 28, 2012 0:15:03 GMT -8
Really? I could swear that it must be written as a Sequence, complexity wise, and transmitted to the synth (Wavestation?, D50?) via the Yamaha MIDI-Datafiler, which Ed use on stage.
Nevertheless thanks for your insight!
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Post by jwein on Jul 18, 2012 0:30:07 GMT -8
Starting around 2:06....thats what I'd like to nail! Yeah this are bubbles! But at the same time starting a little bit earlier at around 1:58, you can hear also a fast arpeggio pattern. btw "bubbles": i have a roland gaia, played some self-made bubbles to some ozric tracks. awesome! no difference. its really in the hands (tweaking LFO-Rate, Filter Freq. and some Envelope, with the gaia a no-brainer). if someone need detailed settings of the gaia, i can post it here. some days ago i fiddled around with the onboard arpeggiator of a novation ultranova. sadly theres no save option of own patterns/melodied, but i set it to "played", so notes get played as pressed on the keys. not less important: theres a knob assigned to the bpm and one to the sync (16th, 32t, and so on). i think im close to the "waterfall" sounds. as soon as im pleased with it, i´ll post it here. thinking about getting a Mopho too. because this synth has the possiblilty to save arpeggio/sequences for later use and a dedicated bpm control knob. handy. ive startet a own thread about the mopho here on ther board. bcause im interested in it for recreating sequenced ozric melodies, but yet no answers maybe the alesis micron fits the bill too which hangs around here (you can create your own arpeggios and save it for later use), bought one used last year! shoud be a fine synth for ozric sounds! |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Jul 18, 2012 0:37:36 GMT -8
jwein: really it's not at all complex - if you overlay the notes played with the delay-repeats then it seems complex, but that is just the maths that the effects are doing for you..
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Post by jwein on Jul 18, 2012 1:22:29 GMT -8
hi OTL hmm.. what do you mean exactly? to which kind of sound do you refer to? |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Aug 15, 2012 6:22:05 GMT -8
slapback delay with arpeggiator - you can play with various parameters whilst sweeping - a nice one is if the delay is stereo (pingpong) then sweep the (Hi Q) filter manually when required
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Post by heddhunter on Aug 15, 2012 10:30:39 GMT -8
Ladies and gentlemen, the sequential pro-one in full flight
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Aug 16, 2012 2:14:26 GMT -8
yes : thank you heddhunter - that is exactly what i meant! |
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Post by jwein on Sept 6, 2012 5:44:31 GMT -8
jwein: really it's not at all complex - if you overlay the notes played with the delay-repeats then it seems complex, but that is just the maths that the effects are doing for you.. what i wan tto nail is exactly this (@ aprox. 0:20 it starts to get interesting, for me thats the "waterfall sound", sorry if i brought in some confusion in this thread) i started a single thread for finding out how the pattern was done. ozrics.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1630 |
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Post by gracerooms on Sept 6, 2012 6:10:21 GMT -8
that sound can be made with so many analog synths i say juno-60 wil do the trick i think that one in velmwend is done without midi but just an arpeggiated filter and slowly increase the arpeggiator speed and some luck to get it almost sync |
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Post by heddhunter on Sept 6, 2012 13:55:41 GMT -8
what i wan tto nail is exactly this (@ aprox. 0:20 it starts to get interesting, for me thats the "waterfall sound", sorry if i brought in some confusion in this thread) Your novation ultranova will do this easily. Just set up an arpeggiator, hold down a few notes, and twist the filter cutoff knob. Or set up a slow moving LFO and route that to the filter cutoff. |
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Post by jwein on Sept 6, 2012 22:49:31 GMT -8
what i wan tto nail is exactly this (@ aprox. 0:20 it starts to get interesting, for me thats the "waterfall sound", sorry if i brought in some confusion in this thread) Your novation ultranova will do this easily. Just set up an arpeggiator, hold down a few notes, and twist the filter cutoff knob. Or set up a slow moving LFO and route that to the filter cutoff. Nearly. The Arp on the Ultranova can´t play notes twice. You can set it to "played"so notes get played note after note as played, but if you like to get the arp play a melody which has e.g. 1 note which gets repeated (see screenshot, example of velmwend intro) , its not possible. Further the arp-speed of the ultranova (as many of today´s Digital VA-Synths) can not play Arps faster than BPM 250. So the onboard arp of the ultranova seems to bee to slow. The intro of velmwend - as all of that typically fast arp or sequence runs by ozrics - gets faster than 250bpm. At least this is my impression. Accepting the facts im thinking about getting a real analog synth (in the past the synth-clocks were triggered by real LFO´s) or -as a alternative - using software (e.g. the clock of fruity loops can be set to max 500bpm and mapped to a hw- midicontroller). If anyone here has a chance playing a Pro One, i would be interested in how fast the onboard clock gets. Attachments:
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Post by jwein on Sept 17, 2012 2:51:29 GMT -8
short update: i have recreated now the intro of velmwend in VAZ Modular (a modular software synth) and im quite happy with it. In VAZ-Modular you can create a synth in which the LFO-Rate is triggering an onboard sequencer. graceroomshow do you arpeggiate a filter?!?! |
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Post by gracerooms on Sept 17, 2012 11:30:15 GMT -8
short update: i have recreated now the intro of velmwend in VAZ Modular (a modular software synth) and im quite happy with it. In VAZ-Modular you can create a synth in which the LFO-Rate is triggering an onboard sequencer. graceroomshow do you arpeggiate a filter?!?! wel i mean arppeggiator without tone just the filter frequensie and then turn up the speed hope you know what i mean. such a thing is easy on a juno 60 cant talk for all other synths. peace gracerooms ;D  |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Sept 20, 2012 5:06:23 GMT -8
most synths allow some form of routing - so arp -> filter cutoff (and may need eto disengage it from pitch or even just switch oscillators off so only thing making a sound is combination of low cutoff and hi resonance...
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