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Post by m7c on Oct 22, 2012 6:32:03 GMT -8
The Pro-One has always been their bubble machine of choice. It doesn't go on tour any more because they are all getting old (and were never made very well).
I read somewhere they started using (and touring with) the Korg Prophecy instead. It is an early Virtual Analog (aka digital) synth that is fairly difficult to program. I had one for a while but never really bonded with it. It definitely had a Ozric quality sound (Curious Corn and later).
The Oxford OSCar is another well known secret weapon for arp and leads. It's ridiculously expensive these days but fortunately the Gforce impOSCar2 is one of the best softsynths on the market.
Ed also raves about the even more hard to find Waldorf Wave.
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Post by sunscape on Dec 25, 2012 4:02:51 GMT -8
I recently purchased an Akai Miniak for £200 brand new and have to admit it's one of the best synths I've ever had the pleasure to twiddle with. It's perfect for all manner of Ozric/Gong/Hawkwind style effects as the modulation possibilities are endless. It's almost like have a mini modular system. The interface is a bit too minimal but there are programmable controllers for adjusting cutoff, LFO speed, resonance etc. I'd recommend snapping one up as they are now discontinued and I imagine will become a sought after classic in coming years. Incredible little machine:)
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Jan 8, 2013 3:51:32 GMT -8
has anyone played with the korg monotrons yet? with a noise-gate and some decent amping... pretty much fun in the palm of your hand, even through it's own tiny speaker...
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 1, 2013 13:36:50 GMT -8
Your novation ultranova will do this easily. Just set up an arpeggiator, hold down a few notes, and twist the filter cutoff knob. Or set up a slow moving LFO and route that to the filter cutoff. Nearly. The Arp on the Ultranova can´t play notes twice. You can set it to "played"so notes get played note after note as played, but if you like to get the arp play a melody which has e.g. 1 note which gets repeated (see screenshot, example of velmwend intro) , its not possible. A workaround is to use a delay effect to 'double up' the number of notes. I use this technique to create 'washes' of arpeggiator/sequencer noise all the time. I have a pro-one. The onboard clock gets crazy fast, like "you can't hear the individual notes" fast. The velmwend intro is almost certainly Pro One. It could easily do that with its built in sequencer. One of these days I may try to duplicate it. If I do I'll make a youtube video for you... [/quote] |
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 1, 2013 21:59:26 GMT -8
I just re-created the intro to Velmwend on the Pro One. I love the crap out of this synth!
Little bit of tape delay added in Logic, but otherwise it's all Pro One.
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Post by yiannis on Feb 2, 2013 3:50:51 GMT -8
Sheer Ozricness!  |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Feb 2, 2013 3:58:13 GMT -8
lucky blighter - all those real-time faders and knobs to use.... |
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Post by sunscape on Feb 7, 2013 12:06:42 GMT -8
Thanks Heddhunter, I've managed to begin getting bubbles from my Miniak now. The trick is using a filter that self oscillates at high resonance settings. I've used a Moog 4 pole filter, turned the oscillator volume to zero so I can only hear the filter. I've routed an LFO to filter frequency, altered key tracking, thrown some reverb on there...instant bubbles ala TimBlake! Just need to refine it now and experiment but it sound awesome.
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Post by orpheus on Feb 7, 2013 13:24:27 GMT -8
Post some vids or audio sunscape. Be good to hear other people's bubbles. I've managed to get some nice ones using a couple of iPad synths.
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Post by sunscape on Feb 8, 2013 9:51:03 GMT -8
Sure Orpheus, I'll sort a video out showing some settings on the synth and the bubbles I'm getting:-)
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 8, 2013 11:07:13 GMT -8
Thanks Heddhunter, I've managed to begin getting bubbles from my Miniak now. The trick is using a filter that self oscillates at high resonance settings. I've used a Moog 4 pole filter, turned the oscillator volume to zero so I can only hear the filter. I've routed an LFO to filter frequency, altered key tracking, thrown some reverb on there...instant bubbles ala TimBlake! Just need to refine it now and experiment but it sound awesome. ah yes the classic self-osc filter. I threw something together to demonstrate using Massive... the nice thing about something like Massive is you have multiple LFO shapes and filter modes. I run through a few of them in this video interestingly Massive's filter won't make any noise unless there is something to stimulate it, so I used a tiny amount of white noise to juice it. it actually sounds pretty good mixed in with the filter osc at a low level. I highly recommend the NI Komplete bundle. It tends to go on sale once a year. I bought it during last year's spring sale, you can get an insane amount of sounds and software for pretty cheap. |
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Post by sunscape on Feb 8, 2013 16:40:15 GMT -8
I'm liking those bubbles on Massive. I've been experimenting with u-He Diva which is the best soft synth I've heard bar none. The bubbles I've been producing with that may as well come from analog hardware of old. I'll post some audio when I can:-)
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Feb 15, 2013 6:39:47 GMT -8
it's not surprising that a VST is silent when the sound sources are switched off - the only reason old analogue synths can make sound from just the filter is cos their idea of silence is very noisy and you are filtering the low-level noise. In VST synths this doesn't exist as it's all just maths with no built-in inaccuracies.
Incidentally - has anyone played with the new stylophone yet? looks like fun but could be really shoddy...
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 19, 2013 12:05:34 GMT -8
it's not surprising that a VST is silent when the sound sources are switched off - the only reason old analogue synths can make sound from just the filter is cos their idea of silence is very noisy and you are filtering the low-level noise. In VST synths this doesn't exist as it's all just maths with no built-in inaccuracies. well you'd think that but i experimented with a few other plugins and they did make noise without anything sent to the filter. seems to be luck of the draw really. |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Mar 14, 2013 4:04:47 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised if some people coding these things noticed the flaw and added some artificial low-level-noise in to compensate? certainly in ones that are analogue models this would have been done, cos otherwise you'd get nothing like the right sound, but i'd imagine this approach being taken in some native VST ones too...
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Post by Music247 on Mar 15, 2013 2:52:10 GMT -8
NI Massive at 00:45 very nice tummy squelch sounds. Nice thread ! I have the Pro53 / Imposcar /Oddity but have never got into programming them very deeply. Was thinking about Novation V-station as well. But till I actually start doing some music it's just folly.
How does Pro 53 compare to the original Sequential Circuits Pro 1 for bubbly authenticity ?
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Post by heddhunter on Mar 20, 2013 14:45:05 GMT -8
Honestly not very well, but I haven't found any software yet that really compares to the real Pro One. That thing is just a beast.
I would like to check out the Dave Smith MoPho and related machines. Dave Smith designed the original Pro One so if anybody has a shot at getting it right I think it'd be him.
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Post by gracerooms on Mar 21, 2013 13:57:48 GMT -8
in my opinion theres no software synth that gives you what an analog can giveyou.hardware synths rule.although there are some ridiculous good software synths out there |
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Post by garlicmick on Mar 25, 2013 7:54:42 GMT -8
in my opinion theres no software synth that gives you what an analog can giveyou.hardware synths rule.although there are some ridiculous good software synths out there Which synths do you use? (for anyone who doesn't know, Gracerooms makes probably the most Ozriciest synth music outside of Ozric) |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Apr 27, 2013 8:20:38 GMT -8
juno 60 is nice for laser, fountains, stars and wobbles... some of the vsts are very versatile and with a fader-equipped control keyboard you can make some nice responsive noises with plenty of expression... especially ones with four oscillators and modulation matrix - those are the easiest to set up and use among the vsts IMHO...
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Post by gracerooms on Apr 29, 2013 11:04:51 GMT -8
he there mick and other ozricheads thanks for yer compliment well i take it as one heres my gearlist roland-juno-60 -jx 305 groovebox in a synthy shape(groovebox is hated by many but i think its apart from his drums a very underestimated synth) korg-prophecy novation-supernova 2 yamaha cs2x (only good for layers,but very cheap in price ;D) cs 5 fender jazzbass cheapy guitar ibanez digital delay dd100 roland digital delay sde 2500 and a little braindamage |
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Post by heddhunter on May 15, 2013 16:07:00 GMT -8
in my opinion theres no software synth that gives you what an analog can giveyou.hardware synths rule.although there are some ridiculous good software synths out there I just got Native Instruments "MONARK" and that sounds pretty much as close to a real MiniMoog as I have ever heard. Unbelievable. U-he "Diva" is also very good. The main thing about real hardware, even if it is digital not analog is the hands on approach. Knobs buttons and sliders are so much more inspirational and interesting to me compared to mousing around. I mapped a bunch of the crucial Monark knobs to my controller and that makes a huge difference in the enjoyability factor. |
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on May 17, 2013 8:12:48 GMT -8
yeah don't anyone forget you CAN assign VST controls to faders, buttons and knobs on a USB keyboard... (especially with some of the more friendly synths that have their own mapping facility (the ones in keyboards can tend to be a bit awkward)) then you get all the real-time control you want...
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Post by jwein on Jan 18, 2014 5:02:22 GMT -8
I just re-created the intro to Velmwend on the Pro One. I love the crap out of this synth! Little bit of tape delay added in Logic, but otherwise it's all Pro One. Thanks!! |
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Post by echodrum on Jan 21, 2014 14:31:46 GMT -8
this is a great thread! awesome to read everyone's posts! I love analog synths and for the guy who asked about the monotron...hells yes!!! I have made that thing crank out some nasty sounds and with the audio input/output you can create some good feedback loops. www.dropbox.com/sh/z7xnuedeohvz5iy/1RLnVeMuLg |
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Post by gracerooms on Jan 22, 2014 0:29:45 GMT -8
if you want to recreate some of the older ozric albums bubbles you have to go analog i do it with a juno 60 which is also very good for those arpeggifalls sounds.you cant get those bubbles with a digital or va synth.apart from the fact that you can make realy cool other sounds with them.you can also make bubbles with a va synth but they have a very diffrent digital feel about them.combination is the key i think .peace gracerooms
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Post by jwein on Jan 22, 2014 12:33:02 GMT -8
i think i´ve found a modern replacement for the pro one, the arturia microbrute with that synth playing arpeggios like on the pro one should be easy, see video at aprox. min. 2:00 i should get one in some weeks, then i try to emulate the intro of velmwend. |
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Post by jwein on Jan 26, 2014 2:20:06 GMT -8
beside the microbrute there´s of course also the new novation bass station 2.
it has knobs for tempo too and even an additional step-sequencer
and a really really sweet sound because its 100% analogue
i`ll try to check out both trying to play the velmwend-intro
Reportedly the microbrute as reported by users at the arturia forum has partial bad hardware quality. so you need a little luck getting a good one.
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Post by jwein on Jan 27, 2014 12:25:33 GMT -8
ok, today i´ve tested the bass station2, microbrute and a doepfer darktime at a local music store.
ive played the velmwend intro with onboard arp/sequencer.
conclusion: microbrute has the fastest clock without clock divide (as seen in the video i posted in my last posts) but cannot start the melody as slow as the pro one. therefore compared to a pro one its tempo-range is smaller. the other twos can have a speedy clock as well, but only with clock divide (same thing with a lot of other sntyh nowadays as with the novation ultranova and a micron which i own at the moment, see my posts earlier in this thread). so, the pro one is still the winner, because it delivers a great temporange out of the box (see the great video from heddhunter above for lovely details). all modern synths (and sequencers like the dark time) can be fast, but only with clock divide. a hole progress from very slow to very fast is out of the box not possible with a single knob-twist. an all modern midi-synths which i tested so far (except the microbrute, see above) you have to change the clock before with the clock divide setting but getting only a extract of what the the pro delivers with just one knob.
what a great machine the pro one is.
the last thing that come into my mind getting the same temporange as with the pro one is the lfo to gate in option of the microbrute. sadly ive had no chance trying that out a the music store because you have to install its software for activating the "step on" feature which enables this feature.
getting a beer now
See you
jwein
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Post by merohedra on Jan 27, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -8
I used to own a MicroMoog and could get some crazy ass ozric bubbles out of it with an Analogue delay pedal . I'm no synth geek but I found it relatively easy to get some great sounds. Also got some nice sweeping white noise that Joie used to make. Just saw on ebay one go for nearly $1000 ! www.vintagesynth.com/moog/micromoog.php |
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