|
Post by watermill on Sept 21, 2007 2:06:35 GMT -8
In all these music magazines, uncut, mojo, guitar, nme and the rest, i always scout through them when i'm at the supermarket, just to see if there's any reviews or news or even maybe an interview, that would be a turn up, in them, but its as if the Ozric's don't exist, its always the same old overated bland bands getting half a dozen pages. I'd like to have seen a bit of Ozric on tv when Glastonbury was on, but there was just no mention of them at all, or what about on later with Jools Holland. They don't get the credit they deserve because i believe they're a lot better than some of these bands that are around at the moment that are getting lorded up.
|
|
|
Post by kirk on Sept 21, 2007 3:51:21 GMT -8
Yes it's sad isn't it ? In order for all these other artists to get their names in mags and on the telly, they have to have agents and basically prostitute themselves as a commodity. This is a media game and one that is played endlessly with who or whatever is flavour of the month (Paris, Posh , Scillet Bang !). At one point in their career the Ozrice were flavour of the month- June 1992, They were on the front covers of Music mags and on radio one. But the backlash soon started, within a month of appearing on the front cover of the NME the same paper was deriding them and calling Ed stinkfinger. I presume this was because he really could not care less about the media and would not play things their way. This ludicrous paper has always wanted to present itself as politically right on, and most artists featured within it have to sign up to it's agenda. As you all know the Ozrics have no stated agenda other than having fun making machines make daft noises, in order that the sun may shine and if you want you can dance !
They get the credit they deserve from the people who hear what they do, because we communicate on this board and tell them how much we appreciate their music when we see them at gigs. It is sad that there are people out there who would like them if they were to hear them if the profile of the band was raised. But.. you get what you look for in life.. Perhaps the people who might like them ought to be activelly seeking alternatives to the bland plastic cheese they are served through the media. If you just put up with stuff it's your own fault really.. The other option is for you to try and share your enjoyment, bang a few tracks on a cd and give it to someone who you think would benefit from it, this is the spirit of this band really anyway. This how the buzz started and how they ever became succesfull- word of mouth.
It is very sad that some people with little or no talent make a lot of money in the music business, whilst those who make major contributions recieve next to nothing. Look at what happened to Noel Reading and Mitch Mitchell, they were only ever payed session fees and nothing in royalties for contributing to probably the greatest and most influential albums of the 20th century. Where would we all be without theirs and Jimi's legacy ?
in the words of Creme Brulay "it's a &^^ business"
|
|
|
Post by damien on Sept 21, 2007 10:34:09 GMT -8
"melody maker " have had an ozric interview and gigs reviews , but they were always more keen on eat static , my gran read a copy of melody maker and she said "where's the melody in this ? " "spot on" id say ! There was an interesting article in Q magazine with Ed Ozric and Joe statriani meeting up , which id imagine helped ozrics reach out to the guitar muso crowd ! They also had an interesting review of curious corn saying the song afro clonk reminded them of funkadelic , there's another pocket of people ! ironically I just bought this months copy of mojo and it made my train journey's more intriguing , at least in a literal sense. In regards to "bland plastic cheese" , i was trying to convince my dad of the merits of phil collins this week. It got me thinking , there's two sides to musicians , you have the songwriting side and the performing side , some people can do both ( say prince ) but even then i prefere the sinead o conner performance of nothing compares to u .
When a musician has complete control of music is that what makes it "bland plastic cheese " you see unlikely colloborations may not always work but its a fertile ground for orginality , its like you can take a piece of music so far but it is in the letting go that the fusion takes place , someone takes it somewhere you might not of expected , this kind of act of trust really makes for magical emotionally driven music . in my opinion .
|
|
|
Post by watermill on Sept 21, 2007 10:40:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the replies guys, only being really into them for the last couple of years, you've obviously been following them a lot longer, i've never seen them live, but i'd like to, it sounds a bit Billy no mates, but none of my other mates are into them, so got no one to really go with. I've said i'd burn a cd to a couple of my mates, but there's so many good tunes just to fit on eighty minutes worth of cd, it's like where do i start considering most of the tunes are around ten minutes long, i think if i was gonna do what i think is an extensive best as, it would be at least three cd's long.
|
|
|
Post by damien on Sept 22, 2007 0:06:59 GMT -8
id oftenly go to oz gigs on my own ... in answer to both your questions , i wouldnt make an 80 minute oz cd , it may be too much , try one or two carefully selected track , if they are techno heads then go the techno -ish tracks , if they like new age stuff then go for one of the mellow tracks , reggae , jazz fusion , you get my drift , but limit it to 3 songs max , keep em wanting more hey ??
|
|
|
Post by watermill on Sept 22, 2007 6:20:39 GMT -8
If i kept it to three, i think it would have to be Jurassic shift, Eternal wheel and Curious corn, but Dissolution, vibuthi and Space between your ears would be my next installment.
|
|
|
Post by kirk on Sept 24, 2007 1:31:06 GMT -8
Damian mate,
"trying to convince your dad of the merits of Phil Collins ?"
I would imagine his cd's make good firelighters.
Plastic cheese is a simulation of supposed cheese, and very rarely can be identified either by sight or forensically as per se cheese. My use of the metaphor is limited to this description. Artists can produce this dairy imitation as well as record companies, and more often than not do actually produce cheese. I would not say any kind of fusion is necessarily cheese like in its self, in fact I find any kind of musical or artistic fusion the most interesting and exciting of forms. In fact were it not for fusions of one kind or another then music or the arts could not progress. We would never have had impresionism or heavy rock blues or any other modern (ish) idiom.
In conclusion : If you like Mr Collins - fair play to you, he's a very good drummer. Life's far too short to enter into discussions around whos good and whose bad and if these are real and valid points of view that contain elements of objective truth. I like Phil's drumming on dance on a volcano etc. By the way this track is on the Jordan Rudes Cd that features Ed. I bought it yesterday, Eds musical contributions last all of 60 seconds in total if any one wants to know before they buy it. A better demonstation of plasticised diary formulations would be hard to find than the overall (sans Ed) quality of this Cd.
|
|
|
Post by damien on Sept 24, 2007 13:36:33 GMT -8
in regards to phil collins , i think he has written some good songs ,(but i bet the gorilla in the choco ad , didn't get paid all the $$ for his session drumming ! ) i think you are wise not to debate whos good and bad as a musician . as i get older i find myself enjoying ballads/love songs ! and i listen to a lot of 105.4 magic fm.
|
|
|
Post by kirk on Sept 26, 2007 1:35:04 GMT -8
Your pulling our legs and I'm not wearing it any longer.
Convincing your'e dad of the benefits of Phil Collins ! (supposed to be the other way round) listening to magic FM !
Yeah ! and Im listening to HMS Pinafore by Gilbert and Sullivan.
|
|
|
Post by etherealise on Sept 26, 2007 4:47:17 GMT -8
in regards to phil collins , i think he has written some good songs... I agree, but for me it's what he did in the 70's with Genesis & Brandx that makes him a great musician. It's all been bland pop hits since then IMHO.
|
|
|
Post by watermill on Sept 26, 2007 7:29:38 GMT -8
I should change the name of this thread to Phil Collins...Always seems to be mentioned.
|
|
|
Post by ozhead on Sept 27, 2007 1:44:17 GMT -8
f**k P**l C*****s!
|
|
|
Post by kirk on Sept 27, 2007 3:06:36 GMT -8
Ozheads got Tourettes,
quick ! get him / her on big brother.
|
|
|
Post by ozhead on Sept 27, 2007 4:51:52 GMT -8
F**k T*******s!
|
|
|
Post by kirk on Sept 27, 2007 5:52:45 GMT -8
Is there a doctor in the web !
|
|
|
Post by ozhead on Sept 27, 2007 6:20:27 GMT -8
H**p!
|
|
daleyo
Full Member
your day will come
Posts: 164
|
Post by daleyo on Sept 27, 2007 14:19:06 GMT -8
get a life an go somewhere else child or do something constucktive like talk ozrics..........................
|
|
|
Post by ozhead on Sept 28, 2007 0:22:25 GMT -8
Slight sense of humour bypass there daleyo old bean...pip pip! :-)
|
|