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Post by carl on Apr 17, 2007 4:05:09 GMT -8
Greetings to you all.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Carl and I live in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. I am an avid fan of heavy metal since 1984, although my first musical experience was The Stray Cats.
Through the years my musical interesses have developed via classical music into more complicated styles. Currently I am listening to music by Frank Zappa, Rush, Yes and King Crimson. When I landed on the progarchives website I encountered three songs by the Ozric Tentacles and enjoyed their spacial rock-sound (I saw Hawkwind twice in Paradiso, Amsterdam).
Okay, now back to the subject. I am thinking of buying some CD's by the OT's, but encountered a dilemma: which to buy? And I do not have to hear about your personal favorites, it has to do with double CD versus single CD. All albums seem to be re-released on double albums, except the most recent ones.
So, is there any difference between buying the double CD of for example "The Hidden Step/Waterfall Cities" (Recall B0002N4ZB0) and buying both these albums on seperate disks (Recall B000069DZK and Stretchy B0000258RB)?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by philly on Apr 17, 2007 7:15:15 GMT -8
some of the repackaged stuff has an extra track here and there and may or may not be digitally enhanced (hmmmm), I think avid collectors would rather go for the Dovetail releases, it depends on you money situation.
If you are talking about which album, I would do it cronologically, having said that the first one I heard was Erpland, it is a classic, as is Pungent, and all before, and of course after........................................
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Post by sideards on Apr 17, 2007 8:37:45 GMT -8
cant go wrong with pungent effulgent or erpland man
erpland is so good 2 of my kids were concieved to it!!!!
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Post by tangy on Apr 17, 2007 8:59:16 GMT -8
The good news is you can't go wrong. Erpland or Pungent would be a great starting point. One of my favorites is Become The Other  Another great intro to the group would be the Live at the Pongmasters DVD. Highly recomended!! You might want to avoid Floating Seeds intially as its remixes of earlier songs to the best of my understanding.. I got a lot of my OT from Amazon.com. |
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Post by sparky on Apr 17, 2007 15:42:17 GMT -8
buy them all, because that's what will happen anyway once their music gets its hooks into you!
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Post by ozrics-mike on Apr 17, 2007 16:11:00 GMT -8
buy them all, because that's what will happen anyway once their music gets its hooks into you! Thats the truth.  My personal favs are... aw nevermind, just go buy them all.  |
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Post by sparky on Apr 17, 2007 16:16:17 GMT -8
good advice, mike... hehehe!
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Post by ozhead on Apr 18, 2007 2:51:49 GMT -8
First one I bought was 'Curious Corn', probably their 'heaviest' album, described as 'Incendiary'!! But they are all great, and with the re-released double C.D.'s you get some fine sleeve notes by Simon their ex manager. Once you start you will end up buying the lot! I have an Ozrics C.D. column which I call "The Tower of Power'!! Best band in the World mate!
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Post by ozhead on Apr 18, 2007 6:22:05 GMT -8
Message to Mike; If you don't stop Shaggy posting c**p, then I'm afraid this board will go the way of Rubbish!
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Post by ozrics-mike on Apr 18, 2007 9:25:15 GMT -8
Clean it up shag. There are folks here that dont want to read this dribble.
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Post by kermit0702 on Apr 18, 2007 10:55:35 GMT -8
I have all the Ozric albums, a huge fan...as to the first one to buy, that's very tricky. The re-releases are probably the easiest way to get them all (and with extra tracks) so I'd go on that route...
...I'm rather partial to 'Spirals in Hyperspace' !
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Post by kortela on Apr 19, 2007 1:34:02 GMT -8
Strangeitude,Erpland,Waterfall cities and Pungent I reckon.
Oh and please shut up Raymond yes we know you're Dutch,but thats not an excuse for severe post
whoring and drivel.
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Post by dimensionaltraveler on Apr 19, 2007 13:35:41 GMT -8
...And I do not have to hear about your personal favorites, it has to do with double CD versus single CD. All albums seem to be re-released on double albums, except the most recent ones. So, is there any difference between buying the double CD of for example "The Hidden Step/Waterfall Cities" (Recall B0002N4ZB0) and buying both these albums on seperate disks (Recall B000069DZK and Stretchy B0000258RB)? I'm on my third copy of Erpland, and my second of Afterswish, the first being the Dovetail releases, and the following being more recent reissues. I couldn't detect any major differences in the overall product, apart from the packaging ['Course I'd have to have had the same stereo all these years to really put that to the test]. I prefer to buy individual titles separately [cos I'm just weird that way], but a friend has an extended Strangeitude, and a couple of the double cd's, and again, my ears haven't discerned any difference from the versions I own, so it's really just a matter of if you want your OZRICS served up in single or double helpings. |
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Post by myriapod100 on Apr 22, 2007 8:46:00 GMT -8
Greetings to you all. Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Carl and I live in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. I am an avid fan of heavy metal since 1984, although my first musical experience was The Stray Cats. Through the years my musical interesses have developed via classical music into more complicated styles. Currently I am listening to music by Frank Zappa, Rush, Yes and King Crimson. When I landed on the progarchives website I encountered three songs by the Ozric Tentacles and enjoyed their spacial rock-sound (I saw Hawkwind twice in Paradiso, Amsterdam). Okay, now back to the subject. I am thinking of buying some CD's by the OT's, but encountered a dilemma: which to buy? And I do not have to hear about your personal favorites, it has to do with double CD versus single CD. All albums seem to be re-released on double albums, except the most recent ones. So, is there any difference between buying the double CD of for example "The Hidden Step/Waterfall Cities" (Recall B0002N4ZB0) and buying both these albums on seperate disks (Recall B000069DZK and Stretchy B0000258RB)? Thanks in advance! Hoi i'm from holland too, well there are more than one or two good albums, but one of their best for me is still Jurassic Shift, and Curious corn as a second. But you should try the Pongmaster's ball DVD that's great. So enjoy the Ozric's. Oh by the way the last one The Floor's to far away is a very good one too. |
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Post by ozrique on Apr 23, 2007 10:24:39 GMT -8
I recommend Erpland, for me the best one as whole album
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Post by kirk on Apr 26, 2007 4:24:41 GMT -8
I would say that it does not really matter. This band are one of a handful that if you buy one or already like one that you have heard you will end up buying (or liking) the lot anyway.
And as the band try to ensure that their product is available to us the fans, at very low prices
then you should buy em all anyway.
I'm not sure that I agree with Mr shaggy or even understand his posts, but would concur that 1000 days by Tool is a very good CD ( tool are not one of those bands who's entire output is good - I DID buy them all and there is only one good track on each cd in my personal opinion other than the one mentioned above- so beware). Should the reader like heavy metal then do check out Opeth. Especially "Damnation" and "Deliverance", "Blackwater Park" but not "Still life". Opeths musician skills rank alongside Ozric Tentacles (certainly the best in very heavy metal). Opeth sound Nothing like OT though and neither do Tool. Tool sound more like System of a down with butthole surfers and a smidgeon of Hawkwind thrown in for good measure. While Opeth sound like like Magma and led zep and are capable of actually scaring you with the intensity of their music-(The Grand Conjuration !)
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Post by seaeaglemorwenna on Apr 30, 2007 8:35:52 GMT -8
My first one I got was Jurassic shift
Was looking for Mike Oldfield..and found Ozric Tentacles
But just kept getting CDs...
Have had a listen to some of the new CD clips, sound good.
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Post by darkiye on May 4, 2007 7:45:10 GMT -8
I'm a bit of a new one to the Ozrics. I've only got Waterfall Cities and Become the Other, and frankly, pretty much every track on each blows me away.
These later albums differ a bit from their earlier stuff, if Dissolution (The Clouds Disperse) are any indication of their earlier work - frankly, I thought that track was pretty dull standard rock stuff, though it might not be typical.
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Post by ozrics-mike on May 4, 2007 11:22:04 GMT -8
I'm a bit of a new one to the Ozrics. I've only got Waterfall Cities and Become the Other, and frankly, pretty much every track on each blows me away. These later albums differ a bit from their earlier stuff, if Dissolution (The Clouds Disperse) are any indication of their earlier work - frankly, I thought that track was pretty dull standard rock stuff, though it might not be typical. If you like Waterfall and BTO, try The Hidden Step. Its kind of similar to the style on those. |
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Post by kirk on May 10, 2007 4:24:04 GMT -8
Darkiye thinks "Dissolution is dull rock stuff".
Oh dear, well... everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
If you haven't connected with what that track is about and how it turns from a pulsing throb to a rip roaring out of body rollercoaster ride then..... (?) (your loss, try again, you have not understood, do not pass go !)
Dissolution is, and will remain, the perfect embodiment of the Psy experience. This track is one that turned many on to what the band are about and is the perfect Ozrics induction primer. It sums up what the band are about perfectly.
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Post by alienstarguest on May 18, 2007 4:28:55 GMT -8
If I was forced to purge my OT collection (the horrors) and keep only one recording, it would be Erpland. Simply a classic standout. But unlike other bands, with OT, you can pretty much start anywhere in the collection and be fine. Just avoid the very early recordings from the mid-80s until later. They are worth having too, but I would not advise anyone to start there.
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Post by ozhead on May 18, 2007 8:00:21 GMT -8
Buy the lot when Ozrics.com merch is up and running!!;-)
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Post by damien on May 19, 2007 4:30:46 GMT -8
how about the eternal wheel greatest hits thats probally a good cd as you get a bit of everything ,
or the latest album the floor is too far away to hear the fresh stuff ...
then theres an ablum called floating seeds and that is a remix album. that would be a weird place to start, because some of the remixs don't sound much like the original songs !
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Post by gildermershina on May 20, 2007 2:34:45 GMT -8
I'm not sure that I agree with Mr shaggy or even understand his posts, but would concur that 1000 days by Tool is a very good CD ( tool are not one of those bands who's entire output is good - I DID buy them all and there is only one good track on each cd in my personal opinion other than the one mentioned above- so beware). Should the reader like heavy metal then do check out Opeth. Especially "d**nation" and "Deliverance", "Blackwater Park" but not "Still life". Opeths musician skills rank alongside Ozric Tentacles (certainly the best in very heavy metal). Opeth sound Nothing like OT though and neither do Tool. Tool sound more like System of a down with butthole surfers and a smidgeon of Hawkwind thrown in for good measure. While Opeth sound like like Magma and led zep and are capable of actually scaring you with the intensity of their music-(The Grand Conjuration !) Not Still Life eh? What? And I can't see anything of Magma in Opeth. Opeth really come more from the Camel/Pink Floyd/Deep Purple/Iron Maiden lineage, the classic prog and heavy metal. There are plenty of heavy bands which have a touch of Magma in them: Ruins; Guapo; The Flying Luttenbachers. But not Opeth. And how can Tool sound like a band that formed after they did (System of a Down)? Tool are one of the most influencial American acts in the alternative scene (along with Nine Inch Nails) and so if anything System of a Down absorbed a Tool influence, but certainly not the other way around. |
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Post by kirk on May 21, 2007 4:35:56 GMT -8
Well gildermershina, I don't think it matters who comes first. giving other band as a reference for anothers sound is all I was doing. And Yes "Still Life" is the worst Opeth cd.
I think you need yer lugoles washing out if you think Opeth even sound remotely like the bands you namecheck above. If you cannot hear the very Zeul influence within Opeth (the voice, the crushing weight -at times, The incredible drumming).
listen to the drumming man !
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Post by kirk on May 21, 2007 5:29:08 GMT -8
"Still life" has got Benighted on though, worth buying it just for that track. (which sounds like Led Zep from about 73). After this recording they realised they had to write the stuff before they went into the studio. "White Cluster" is probaby the only other track I would record from this
You have heard "de futura" by Magma haven't you silvermachina ? er.. sorry Gildermershina.
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Post by gildermershina on May 21, 2007 12:58:08 GMT -8
Yes of course I've heard De Futura. And Opeth do not sound like De Futura, or any other Magma for that matter. Magma are built on a jazz rock base, their music is usually oppressive and repetative and features chanted and operatic vocals. De Futura is basically a big bass riff and drums with a warbling vocal and synth. I can't see any similarity between that and anything Opeth have done. The drumming is also nothing alike, other than both being complex. Opeth regularly feature the double bass kick, and the drums are almost always firmly rooted in time with the riffs. Christian Vander's drumming in Magma doesn't use metal drumming styles (perhaps because they hadn't really been established in Magma's prime), and it actually drives the music as opposed to playing a supporting role.
There is basically no Zeuhl influence in Opeth, their sound stems directly from the death metal genre, which has all the characteristics you mention (the weight, the growling vocals (which I must also state Zeuhl does not usually have - especially not Magma) and complex drumming), and is then filtered through their progressive and classic rock influences. Their links to say, Camel (several members of the band claim Camel as one of their favourite bands and influences) are blindingly obvious; see Benighted (based on a riff that the guitarist admits he stole from Camel) and The Moor from Still Life, d**nation (Ending Credits being announced on the Lamentations DVD as being a Camel ripoff - which it basically is), Hours of Wealth from Ghost Reveries. Also see their Iron Maiden cover, their Deep Purple cover.
Also, far from being their worse album, I think Still Life might actually be their best. If you like their others I'm not sure how you can't like Still Life. It's basically exactly the same in terms of the general sound and style. I would say d**nation and My Arms Your Hearse are their worst, d**nation because it seems a weak pastiche of their softer influences, and MAYH because it's less dynamic.
Anyway, on topic, I'd say Erpland is the one to get.
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Post by kirk on May 21, 2007 23:41:36 GMT -8
Whatever !
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Post by kirk on May 24, 2007 3:41:17 GMT -8
I have changed my mind and recomend "Eternal Wheel" as the first purchase for anyone wishing to explore the sonic dreamscapes of the Ozrics. I didn't bother buying it on release as I already had everything on it. When I eventually bought it I was pleased to discover that every track on it sounds like it's been remixed. It sounds very crisp and shiny and there is more detail in the top end. Some tracks sound like they have had little bits of synth weirdness added to them (pyramideon for example).
One thing that I notice about this band more than any other, is that it all depends on which system you hear the cd. You can listen for years to Erpland and think you know every little detail that's there and then play it on a different system and all kinds of things pop out that you'd swear weren't there before.
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Post by mindflux on May 24, 2007 4:39:09 GMT -8
Absolutely Kirk - the system makes all the difference. After saving hard and obtaining an awesome audiophile set-up of my own, I was amazed at the level of detail I'd not heard previously on albums that I'd played to death. The Ozrics in particujlar, were a revelation. I mean, it sounded as though I'd cleaned a layer of (kick) muck off the cds and all this wonderful detail was now audible.
If you can, it is well worth getting to hear an Ozric cd on a decent system - it will open things up beyond belief!
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