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Post by MistyDewyDawn on Jan 28, 2014 2:16:42 GMT -8
Here is another synth with " ambient space" potential:
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 5, 2014 9:38:08 GMT -8
I just did a track using mainly Native Instruments plugins for the synths - I think they worked splendidly! Have a listen soundcloud.com/nebulous-amphibians/friction-hopNI Massive - 99% of the synths - all the arps, leads, most of the fx. Massive is wonderful. Sounds great and dead easy to use. NI FM8 - the weird squiggly solo synth in the middle NI Monark - basslines NI Kontakt - used the Evolve Mutations library for all the crashing metal drum stuff in the middle section with the FM8 squiggly synth NI Guitar Rig - for the guitar, obviously The only non-NI stuff is in the intro section - the first sound on the track (water droplets) and the hand drum-ish sound. The drum performance was created with Logic Pro X's Drummer track feature.
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Post by jwein on Feb 5, 2014 10:33:09 GMT -8
I just did a track using mainly Native Instruments plugins for the synths - I think they worked splendidly! Have a listen oh yes, this is my cup of tea! really great, and thanks for the listing. if you could post some screenshots or midi of the synth-sequences starting at about 2:50 i would really appreciate that.
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 8, 2014 11:01:38 GMT -8
I just did a track using mainly Native Instruments plugins for the synths - I think they worked splendidly! Have a listen oh yes, this is my cup of tea! really great, and thanks for the listing. if you could post some screenshots or midi of the synth-sequences starting at about 2:50 i would really appreciate that. Thanks for the kind words. The sequence at 2:50 is just four eighth notes: A, E, G, D. It's sent to a dotted eighth note delay which gives it that busy overlapping feel. The synth sound is just one oscillator, but I use a second oscillator tuned up a 5th that I fade in and out over it, so it sometimes sounds like there's two lines playing at the same time. I put Logic's Chorus & AutoFilter after Massive to add some thickness & filter motion. I uploaded an audio file of just the synth line to demonstrate how it works. www.dropbox.com/s/k6gshdtlpo0mecx/synthdemo.mp3From 0:00 to 0:16 is just Massive - note the 5th note line fading in and out. At 0:17 I add the Chorus plugin which fattens it up and gives some nice stereo width. At 0:25 I add the AutoFilter which uses LFO and envelope follower to add some nice squelch. At :35 the delay kicks in and you get the full swirly effect.
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Post by yiannis on Feb 9, 2014 4:27:26 GMT -8
Great tune heddhunter. Definitely Ozric-influenced but absolutely not a copy. Don't care much for the technical details but the ears and the soul rejoiced at the sounds
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Post by jwein on Feb 10, 2014 5:03:00 GMT -8
The sequence at 2:50 is just four eighth notes: A, E, G, D. It's sent to a dotted eighth note delay which gives it that busy overlapping feel. Thanks a lot mate! Encouraged by your work, i ´ve attached the sequence in a song of mine. soundcloud.com/jwein80/surrendering-to-the-divineDidnt have auto filter available as in your example, so i made the filter changes by hand. im allready quite happy with the result, will try auto filter definitely next time! Thanks a lot for the insight!
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Post by heddhunter on Feb 20, 2014 15:42:00 GMT -8
The sequence at 2:50 is just four eighth notes: A, E, G, D. It's sent to a dotted eighth note delay which gives it that busy overlapping feel. Thanks a lot mate! Encouraged by your work, i ´ve attached the sequence in a song of mine. soundcloud.com/jwein80/surrendering-to-the-divineDidnt have auto filter available as in your example, so i made the filter changes by hand. im allready quite happy with the result, will try auto filter definitely next time! Thanks a lot for the insight! My pleasure. That soundcloud track of yours is really nice. You don't really need autofilter, most of the things it can do can be done just as well with the synth itself. I was just looking to play around.
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Post by m7c on Feb 26, 2014 16:02:01 GMT -8
I just did a track using mainly Native Instruments plugins for the synths - I think they worked splendidly! Have a listen oh yes, this is my cup of tea!. Yes, muy badass!
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Post by 3001 on Mar 15, 2016 7:27:43 GMT -8
Dead thread?
Are the bubbles Pro one? I hear mainly just sin/triangle LFOs. But they also have an EMS Synthi no? I wonder how much they used that. The reason why it sounds unique is the trapezoid generator and the waveshaper on the oscillators which you can assign to the filter. You can get very interesting textures if you modulate a self oscillating filter with mixed wavefroms while the oscillator is at a low frequency, and changing the waveshape of the oscillator now an LFO. It gets really interesting when you do this via joystick where you can modulate a # of frequencies at the same time. I'm sure you can emulate this some how with modern synths... It's just not the same. There is something organic with the approach of these old synths that lead you there serendipitous. But anyway The Synthi is *the* bubble master, especailly in Hawkwind/Hillage/Gong/Tim Blake/Basil Brooks/Zorch. Such a classic sound!
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Post by jwein on Mar 16, 2016 4:55:01 GMT -8
Hi 3001,
regarding bubbles you should find all needed information here in this thread. coming straight back from an ozric live show in budapest i can say that nowadays they dont use any analog synths live.
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on Apr 12, 2016 14:55:15 GMT -8
if you can't make bubbles on a synth it's a Korg M1..
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Post by jwein on Oct 10, 2016 11:57:21 GMT -8
if you want to recreate some of the older ozric albums bubbles you have to go analog i do it with a juno 60 which is also very good for those arpeggifalls sounds.you cant get those bubbles with a digital or va synth.apart from the fact that you can make realy cool other sounds with them.you can also make bubbles with a va synth but they have a very diffrent digital feel about them.combination is the key i think .peace gracerooms Absolutely true. Sold my Roland GAIA VA Synth yesterday and got a used Moog SubPhatty, excellent for bubbles and similar kind of things. Much easier to use. Never getting back to a VA Synth again, except a Novation Supernova like the Ozrics do. For bubbles analog rules! graceroomsPlease share your wisdom regarding arpeggifall sound. Love your album on your soundcloud site!
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Post by OTL - the9thtentacle on May 19, 2017 0:10:36 GMT -8
if you want to make bubbles and drips and quacking sounds you just have to have a synth that comprises a filter and at least one LFO and abilities to route that to control the filter cut off and or the LFO speed / depth with things like keyboard tracking or velocity or the modwheel or envelope or another controller.,.,., most subtractive synthesizers have all these, for space add a delay effect (try timing it at about 75% - 125% of the beat length) , arpeggiator combines nicely with delay for waterfall sounds, especially if routed to something other than oscillator pitch. If you have solid gear you can often make various machines control each other, like getting a drum-machine to play the filter or the arp-timing on an analogue synth, or with careful programming, the same drum-machine can sometimes be used to constantly switch patches whenever it hits (i Did say 'with careful programming'!), - statements like "xyz is a great synth for psychedelic use" make no sense to me, although i'm certain that is due to my narrow experience with different hardware and vsts.
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Post by m7c on Jul 31, 2017 9:29:46 GMT -8
I've always understood the classic Ozric bubble machine to be the Pro One -- though they stopped touring with one after a certain point. Perhaps due to it getting delicate in its old age -- and of course being a target for theft. I'm not sure about the Synthi -- I don't remember hearing about one. It would be facing the same issues, x100 for theft especially. While the Pro One can still be found out there for a "reasonable" amount ($1k - $1.5k), Synthi prices left the stratosphere a long time ago. More often than not I'm sure they are picked up by collectors with a ton of money and little musical ability.
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Post by Pp3dr0 Ag4o0 on Aug 5, 2017 6:24:59 GMT -8
sorry - am i barking up the wrong tree here?
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Post by orpheus73 on Aug 6, 2022 0:56:20 GMT -8
Hey peeps. I just got a Korg Minilogue XD, and wondered if anyone here has one, and if so do you have any tips for bubbles and so on?
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Post by etherealise on Aug 8, 2022 1:29:33 GMT -8
Hey peeps. I just got a Korg Minilogue XD, and wondered if anyone here has one, and if so do you have any tips for bubbles and so on? I don't have one but it's pretty similar on most analog synths, it's just the naming and configurations that change things sometimes. Looking at the front panel these steps should get you there:
- On the Amp EG, start with your Attack on low and Sustain on full
- On the mixer, turn VCO 1 & 2 to zero. For now you'll have no sound but that's ok
- In the LFO section called Target, select "cutoff" as the target
- Turn resonance all the way up, now you'll have sound again as the filter self oscillates
- Experiment with different wave shapes on the LFO but triangle is probably classic
- Adjust LFO rate to taste
- You can manually move the cutoff around to change the overall bubble pitch.
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Post by orpheus73 on Aug 9, 2022 2:07:03 GMT -8
Brill, thanks Dan. You did send me some tips many moons ago, but I lost my login for my old account.
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