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Post by OoliteGrover on Feb 12, 2011 14:21:17 GMT -8
I got info on Ozric Tentacles mostly from Progarchives, use also RateYourMusic very often and noticed that "Become the Other" is somehow rated lower than the the other albums from 90s. Is it also your impression it`s really not that good? I listened to whole album maybe 3 times right now and don`t know what to think, the production is a bit weird for me and the true value of songs is a bit deformed because of that. I read some reviews where fans complain about it, too. So do You think it`s only a first impression of an average listener that makes this album underrated or it isn`t just that good? ps. I haven`t find such topic or any about this CD. Hope I`m right
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Post by yogbarogger on Feb 12, 2011 14:52:07 GMT -8
There was some discussion recently about BTO. My viewpoint was that it's not as great as the preceding albums by a long stretch. I think it was the point that I started to move onto other types of music. It didn't last and was back on the bandwagon come Curious Corn. I rate BTO highly now of course - love Cat DNA. Still one of my least played albums though.
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Post by orpheus on Feb 12, 2011 15:12:49 GMT -8
I would definitely say the audio quality could be much better. Content wise i have always liked it a lot. Especially Wob Glass. But in comparison to the preceding albums it definitely feels different, not necessarily in a bad way.
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Post by etherealise on Feb 12, 2011 18:57:12 GMT -8
I rate BTO highly, I don't see it as weaker at all, though I can see the music was evolving. Suprised about criticisms of the production too- the only problems I noticed if anything was a little muddiness in Cat DNA and the title track, but I don't hear that in the other tracks. Overall it sounds good to me, even if it's not as great sounding as Arboresence (the pinnacle in sound for me) I would sooner complain about the production of Curious Corn, which to me sounds like the drums have been a little undermixed... but really for me these are minor gripes considering the sheer artistry of the 90's ozrics production generally, which is of a quality that easily matches the music, IMHO.
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Post by alberik on Feb 13, 2011 0:46:21 GMT -8
I love it! And I have just now realised why some albums get less playback on my stereo - it's obvious as there's a vast body of Ozrics music legacy and it is the easiest thing to get carried away by the more in-your-face albums thus totally forgetting/skipping the really hidden gems. BTO is such a gem. I am a lay person when it comes to technical details but the production sounds ok to my ears even though the overall sound is not as 'crisp sounding' as let's say Waterfall Cities. Fave track? Ghedengi, Neurochasm and title track. And Vibuthi, of course, the most heavy me(n)tal track Ozrics have ever played!
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Post by damien on Feb 13, 2011 1:54:48 GMT -8
Become The Other was the 1st Ozric Album to be realised only on a digital format , i.e cd. It was also the 1st album to feature the korg prophecy.which is a digital synth. It also was the last album to feature Joie on it as a full time band member. The last song "Plurnstyle" was similar in this way to the last song on spirals on hyperspace, or even the Hidden step as it was like a "swan song " (goodbye song ) to a long standing member of the band. I see waterfall cities as the beginning of the novation synth and ozric sound, a sound that has stuck with the ozrics ever since . but this would of been just before this time and was perhaps a time of experimentation synth-wise for ed and the ozric sound. I am curious to know which songs post become the other use the the Korg prophecy synth on them ?
The album has many classical and pivitol ozrics songs, vibuthi ,wob glass and the title track spring to mind.
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Post by yiannis on Feb 13, 2011 3:35:04 GMT -8
Superb though somewhat experimental. All tracks rule but I have a soft spot for Ghendengi and Wob Glass. Subtle and full of emotion.
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Post by nicktoone on Feb 13, 2011 6:00:54 GMT -8
Personally I think it's a great album. Having attempted a cover of Wob Glass I can appreciate just how much is going on in each track! I think Damien's right though, it does seem to be the start of a change in sound - something I never really noticed before.
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Post by etherealise on Feb 13, 2011 14:30:35 GMT -8
...It also was the last album to feature Joie on it as a full time band member... Actually that was Arboresence. Joie may have a song writing co credit for Plurnstyle, but he's not credited with playing on BTO at all, it's Seaweed.
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Post by quinoa on Feb 14, 2011 1:53:35 GMT -8
...It also was the last album to feature Joie on it as a full time band member... Actually that was Arboresence. Joie may have a song writing co credit for Plurnstyle, but he's not credited with playing on BTO at all, it's Seaweed. Thats right. This is the first album with Rad and Seaweed so maybe thats why there are feelings of change. Personally I love this album the most it being named from a story I told Ed which completely blew my mind almost as much as that cresendo in Vibuthi.
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Post by kirk on Feb 15, 2011 5:38:47 GMT -8
I think it's as good as anything else the band has released. I think it's Joie playing on Plurnstyle too, sounds like him.
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Post by grassysound on Feb 15, 2011 13:55:28 GMT -8
As soon as I heard the drums on Cat DNA, I knew their new drummer was going to be a huge powerhouse for the band. I know many people love Merv (and I like him too), but for me, Rad was THE drummer for the Ozrics.
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Post by ozricnutter on Feb 15, 2011 14:22:41 GMT -8
As soon as I heard the drums on Cat DNA, I knew their new drummer was going to be a huge powerhouse for the band. I know many people love Merv (and I like him too), but for me, Rad was THE drummer for the Ozrics. Rad gets my vote too.
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Post by chai on Feb 15, 2011 22:12:44 GMT -8
great album, agree with yall......favs are wob and plurn for sure. The drummer lineage has been sweet, soft spots for all and certainly gaining one for the ollie, dude can rip, can't wait for new music to melt to
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Post by grassysound on Feb 16, 2011 7:05:21 GMT -8
I liked the album immediately after hearing it for the first time. I'm especially keen on Cat DNA, Wob Glass, Become The Other, and Plurnstyle.
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Post by ghedengi on Jun 2, 2011 14:20:50 GMT -8
Greetings!
This is my first post on this board so I thought I'd comment on BTO. Only because a friend of mine purchased this album upon the week of it's initial release and played it to me. Thus ensuring my devotion to the band from that day forward.
I realise that it appears to be less popular amongst you than some other albums but there is some outstanding tracks on here. I dread to think how much of my life I have spent listening to Wob Glass and Ghedengi.
As I was so hooked on this album, I started to snap up their back catalogue and I just fell in love. I played BTO to another friend of mine who has declared that he wants Vibuthi played at his funeral!?!?
If there is one criticism I can aim at the record, I think the full-band tracks sound a little muddy sonically. But Cat DNA, Neurochasm, Vibuthi and BTO are still outrageously good pieces of material.
So that's my tuppence worth. I love this album. But then I love all their albums. But this one was first!
Peace, x
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Post by garlicmick on Jun 3, 2011 5:14:01 GMT -8
BTO is my fave if I had to pick one.
Another is the Wasps and Moths compilation of studio jams from the BTO sessions. Makes BTO sound like the tip of the iceberg..
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Post by chrisa on Jun 30, 2011 3:14:36 GMT -8
Feelings on the album? It's one of the greatest of all time. Neurochasm and Vibuthi are out and out classics. Never get tired of playing it. And I love the humour of the artwork. The title Become the Other has become a life affirming motto ...
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Post by opaquelens on Jun 30, 2011 8:11:47 GMT -8
My copy of BTO was a bit of a bad cut. Muffly. But I EQ'd it and made it match the EQ of Arborescence. Then it suddenly became more listenable.
I bloody love the flash drum fills in Neurochasm.
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Post by quinoa on Jun 30, 2011 8:48:33 GMT -8
Feelings on the album? It's one of the greatest of all time. Neurochasm and Vibuthi are out and out classics. Never get tired of playing it. And I love the humour of the artwork. The title Become the Other has become a life affirming motto ... I was told the artwork is a blim rendition of looking out a window in Joies room. Became The Other Otter...
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Post by quinoa on Jun 30, 2011 8:49:39 GMT -8
That was my 500th post! Only took 4 years. time for a beers.
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Post by chrisa on Jul 5, 2011 3:35:48 GMT -8
By letting the music infiltrate your brain you can get to a blissful state where you are at one with the Otter……
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Post by daleyo on Jul 5, 2011 11:01:35 GMT -8
or better still be on the isle of skye with i pod in ears and watch the otters next to a loch lietening to said album .........peace.........mmmmmmmmmm.
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Post by craigtp on Jul 6, 2011 1:27:34 GMT -8
Not as good?
Errm... Neurochasm? Vibuthi? Absolute classic Ozrics, my man.
In fact, Neurochasm especially is one of my all-time favourite Ozric tracks. That guitar section starting at 03:12, the wailing elogated held guitar notes starting at 03:15 building to a crescendo until Ed's shredding kicks in at 03:27 until 03:42. Gives me goose bumps on the back of my neck every time I hear it (and I've probably heard it more often than I've had hot dinners!). And as if that's not good enough, there's a refrain around the 06:12 mark... Wow!
That could well be the finest 27 seconds of Ozrics ever...
Back to the original question....BTO, a good album? Damn right!
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Post by loomi on Jul 7, 2011 13:37:17 GMT -8
BTO was the album that got me into the Ozrics. I remember hearing Cat DNA in a mate's car and I was instantly hooked. Agree that Neurochasm is a top-class track. I remember listening to it on the road over Glen Shee with a Red Grouse adding additional sound affects just like the Capercaillie in one or two other Ozric tracks. Vibuthi stands proud alongside Ayervedism and the opening still make the hairs on my arms stand on end. Imagine just for a minute that BTO was the only Ozric album, would it be good, bad or sensational?
Oh, and hello everyone.
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Post by fallowfields on Jul 10, 2011 18:43:54 GMT -8
Wob Glass, Become the Other, and Plurnstyle are my favorite tracks. Everyone I have ever introduced to Ozric Tentacles is consistently struck and dazzled by Wob Glass - it is completely dynamic. The pace and bass line in Plurnstyle is very warm and the acoustic solo is gorgeous. The track 'Become the Other' was of particular significance to me - complete atmosphere and such a visual piece. At the time the album was released I was working on 3D animation and had been collecting Ozrics music since only around '94, so I was at a point of really anticipating new albums. Getting albums wasn't as accessible - online retail still not quite happening like it is today. In fact, I met Ed and John backstage in Athens, Georgia USA - absolutely astonished that they were in my own town. I was trying to explain to Ed that I had been frustrated with trying to get information about tours and new albums and the message boards were filled up with discussions about favorite songs - I know I sounded like an ass but I was trying to express that I was relieved to have a way to find out what was going on. So here I am describing one of my favorite songs. Become the Other - I was particularly into the timing of the song and I recognize that it is a waltz because I was taking a ballroom dancing course at the time. I very much identified with the gliding/floating pace and feeling of the waltz. I made two animations at the time, one was an deep sea spiral tunnel-torus made of coral that had nearly calcified and was a dwelling place for deep sea coral polyps - the holes in the coral had shafts of light emanating from them and the tunnel led to an opening where I imagined a female-form polyp who would interpret the acoustic solo with a school of floating, pulsing jelly fish - I have described this scene in another post, I believe, but here is a sketch of a polyp: fallowfields.org/elements-polyp.htmlRelated, this cave is part of an overall environment of the undersea series of imagery I was making around that time: fallowfields.org/elements-mist.html I would have to dig for the animations - I would have had to amp up the resources to bring the animation to satisfaction and tunnels are considered nearly taboo cliches to be avoided in the animation world, but I still get this feeling when I hear that song and it is one of my favorites. I was watching a lot of modern dance at the time and wanted to use a trapeze set up to motion capture a dancer in a harness to simulate the sweeping deep sea current and to liberate the arms and legs to drift. Related undersea imagery from that time included two sculptures and a watercolor (not shown), along with this fish: fallowfields.org/hideous.html...and this project: fallowfields.org/wave.htmlOf course, if Blim is going to make artwork for the next album we'd all like that very much and I have searched all over trying to find a website for Blim, so if anyone has any idea, please pass a link! Otherwise, my cartooning is my core and styles vary but I would love to contribute art for Ozric Tentacles. Here's a series of older cartoons - navigate with the top numbers: fallowfields.org/elements-showus.php
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Post by balbulus on Jul 15, 2011 4:44:52 GMT -8
As a fan of classic 90s Ozrics, I personally feel that Become The Other is the last of the run of "great" Ozrics albums that started with Pungent Effulgent (not including Strangeitude, which never really grabbed me). However, I'm only just becoming familiar with the last few albums, as I ignored the band for a few years after Waterfall Cities. In places, The YumYum Tree hints at a return to the classic sound, so maybe future releases will be more to my liking.
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Post by muckybadger on Aug 1, 2011 9:02:27 GMT -8
when My BTO arrived i had some reservations as i had heard that it was going to be more technoish, which to me felt like it would cheapen the sound a great deal.
when it went on my brother and i sat in dazzled silence for 10 mins after it finished with our heads swimming with confused hallucinations brought on only by the music....
is it a lesser album - CERTAINLY NOT!!!!
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Post by 77Pete77 on Sept 3, 2011 21:03:58 GMT -8
I adore BTO. It came out as I was getting into the band, as such I've grown up with it, probably more than any other album. I still listen to it a fair bit now, and never tire of it. The production is different to other albums (more tinny?) but the quality of the music transcends it. I'll also never forget seeing the band live for the first time around then, and the intro to Vibuthi making several thousand people fall silent and go "wow". The air changed. Powerful stuff. As well as the usual tracks folk have mentioned, I really love Ahu Belahu. The best interlude ever! If ever I want to feel like I'm meditating in an alien swamp...
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Post by sabbracadabra on Sept 4, 2011 0:57:45 GMT -8
Listening to this album last night, and have no issues with it at, though NEUROCHASM does not quite stroke me goatee as the others do. Gets a bit lost and aimless for me in places, personally. The title track has the most charming opening and is a favourite, and the two rather dancey GHEDENGI and WOB GLASS are wonderful. CAT DNA excellent, as too is the manic VIBUTHI. Lesser album though? Just. But wtf.
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